One of my droogs and I were having a conversation the other day, discussing why he found the
Batman movies so much more satisfying than the
Superman flicks.
Amongst the points we discussed was that in the 5 modern Batman movies, they
never recycled a villain (yeah, I know, the next one ends that), yet in the 5 modern Superman flicks,
Luthor was the villain in
4 of them (and it was the camp Luthor, too...)
Of course, this spiraled us into a discussion of why that had happened that way, and we reached the conclusion that part of the reason was that Superman had a
lame-ass rogues' gallery, especially as compared to Batman. Yeah, you got Luthor.
Brainiac's not bad, but apparently they don't want him for a movie (not to mention that he's been essentially
MIA in the DC Universe for awhile).
Parasite? Well, it would be hard to build a movie around him. Plus, he's purple.
Toyman, Prankster, Mr. Mxyzptlk? They exist merely to make Superman look silly...since it's so hard to compete with him on a physical level, they're around to frustrate him mentally. Again, hard to make a good 90 minutes there.
Bizarro? Given that so
few comic writers can do him justice, I'd be reluctant to let Hollywood take a crack.
Really, not a lot of good, interesting, telegenic villains there, are there? And if I were less charitable, I'd say Superman, for the #1 hero, has a
completely terrible set of recurring villains.
Which, of course, directed our discussion to:
who has the
BEST rogues' gallery? Of course, much of this comes down to both personal taste and familiarity with the heroes. That said, let's throw up a few nominees, shall we?
THE FLASH--specifically
Barry Allen and
Wally West. Includes
Mirror Master, Captain Cold, Captain Boomerang, Heat Wave, Abra Kadabra, Zoom, Grodd, Weather Wizard, Trickster, Pied Piper, Mr. Element, the Turtle (!), etc.
Pro:
*It's actually called the
Rogues' Gallery. Huge step up in this competition!
*
Large. Flash could fight a different Rogue every month and not have to repeat during the year.
*Diverse powers
*Frequent team-ups, various combinations
*More, deeper characterization of the villains than you generally saw in the Silver Age
Con:
*Not that powerful (at least as used): These guys could
rule the world if they put a little thought into it...but they're happy to
piss away their massive powers
robbing banks and jewelry stores??
*Most are one-dimensional in power and use. OK, Heat Wave can make heat.
And??*Lost a lot of respect when they got all weepy after killing
Bart Allen. "We didn't mean to kill him?"!!! What the
hell do you think you've been trying to do
EVERY SINGLE ISSUE FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS, dumb asses, with all those death traps??
BATMAN. Includes the
Joker, Two Face, the Penguin, Catwoman, the Riddler, Killer Croc, the Ventriliquist, Ra's Al Ghul, Black Mask, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane, KGBeast (greatest villain name ever!!!),
Scarecrow, etc
Pro:
*Large,
maybe even larger than Flash's, depending on whom you count.
*Incredibly diverse and interesting (at least among the main ones--let's ignore
knock-off losers like
Calender Man, Signal Man, or the
Globe, shall we?), representing how #$%^'d up
Gotham City is.
*Great mix of crazy, cunning, powerful, and strong. A lot more types of stories can be told with this mix than most other heroes.
Con:
*Several are too easy to camp up (I'm looking at you,
Joel Schumacher--wasting an opportunity to use Two Face like that is a capital offense!!) and not take seriously. Too much 1960's TV show baggage?
*Too many crazies? Too much
Arkham??
SPIDER-MAN. Includes
Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Elektro, Chameloen, Sandman, Mysterio, Venom, Jackal, Kingpin, Vulture, Lizard, etc.
Pro:
*Vast.
Never a shortage of candidates for whom to fight next issue.
*Perhaps the
most deeply varied in terms of abilities/styles.
*
Adaptable to other heroes--more than any other gallery discussed here, Spidey's villains can (and do) interact more with their native universe--other heroes, etc. More of Spidey's villains have branched off to fight other heroes (Sandman, Mysterio, Kingpin,
Rhino...) than anyone else's.
Cons:
*
Enough with the Venom already.
*All-in-all, not the
brightest bulbs in the pack, are they?
*Given the
OMD reboot, who the hell knows what the status of any of these guys is now?
FANTASTIC FOUR.
Dr. Doom, Frightful Four, Annihilus, Galactus, Puppet Master, Mad Thinker, Blastaar, Diablo, Mole Man, Psycho Man, Red Ghost, Super-Skrull, etc.
Pros:
*The
most diverse yet. We've got gods, mad dictators, alien conquerors, mad Russian scientists with monkeys, extra-dimensional conquerors...oh,
Stan and
Jack, thank you.
*Doom.
'Nuff said.
*True world-class menaces. No bank robbers here.
Cons:
*Sometimes
waaaay to one-dimensionally characterized post-Stan and Jack, and not particularly creatively used post-Stan and Jack, either.
*
Paste-Pot Pete. '
Nuff said.
*Perhaps a
bit stagnant...really, has there been a memorable addition to this group in the past 15 years??
OK, so there you have it. Those are my 4 nominees for the
best rogues' gallery. Please vote in
the poll on the sidebar. And if you think I've skipped over some heroes villain club unfairly, take me to task in the comments.