OK, where were we?
Oh, that's right!!
So, after a slight delay, let's go back to Marvel 1999, and see what was brewing with the Fantastic Four:
Uh-huh.
It's kind of cute how they give a big shout-out on the cover (in logo-form, no less!) to Lockdown and Rosetta Stone, as if just the presence of their names would somehow move more copies. It's also kind of silly, because these characters only first appeared last issue, and after this story would vanish into limbo forever, save for as brief cameo in Contest Of Champions II (Electric Boogaloo). Nobody had heard of them before or since, but we're giving them special cover mention because, well, maybe they'll be the next hot creations.
That's going to be the story of much of this issue: editorially, and in the script, there is a complete lack of coherence and vision. Things are emphasized that don't actually go on to be important; characters are given splash-page cheesecake spreads, only to vanish for the rest of the issue; "huge" plot points are introduced that are never followed up upon. It's all very odd...it has the feel of a rough-draft, brainstorming session, but nothing was cleaned up between there and publication.
Let's see where we start off:
Hey wait a minute!! Nobody told me Chris Claremont wrote some Fantastic Four!! Man, you take 3 lousy years off from comics, and look what you miss!!
Let's hop forward to the letters' page, where we confront the main issue squarely:
Well, it's a conundrum. While I agree with the letters page answer (from editor Bobbie Chase?) that it might be unfair to suggest that Claremont is "too X-Men" instead of "being Claremont," it's also undeniable that after his 17-year run on X-Franchise, that might just be a distinction without a difference.
And in terms of content, I side with Dave Andress of Oconomowoc, Wisconsin. The fact is, this issue reads almost exactly like a latter-day Claremont X-story. If you replace "Negative Zone" with "Mojoverse" and a few of the players' names, well, FF #18 is pretty darn close in tone and style to an X-Men story. The bigger question is, was that appropriate for the Fantastic Four?
Well, to start with, the story begins with no attempt to catch the reader up on what's been going on. If you didn't read the last issue, well, don't plan on getting caught up until page 12 or so, if you're lucky. I have more mercy than Claremont, however, so let me fill you in. The FF have been jaunting around the Negative Zone, stumble upon this odd planet, immediately find themselves attacked and unconscious. When they awaken, they have new identities, as the villains of this world. Somehow, only Reed is able to figure out what's going on, so he allows them to be captured and hauled off to this imposing prison.
Captured? Yes, by this world's bestest heroes, Lockdown and Rosetta Stone!!
Or, rather, thinly veiled riffs on Batman and Robin. So thinly veiled, in fact, it's a wonder Marvel decided to plaster their names, trademarks and all on the cover.
Who are the FF in this world? Why, in the cleverest transposition of names ever, they are:
Grim Ben? Stormy Sue? Richard Reed? Claremont, are you phoning this one in?!? C'mon, at least work at it a little bit.
Then we meet the warden of our prison, Dr. Dantes (get it?!? Get it?!?!?!):
Since Dr. Dantes vanishes from our story after page 6, why does she get a full-page spread (especially as it's only the third page of the story?)? Again, odd construction of this story.
Also odd is Salvador Larroca's grasp of human anatomy. Look at that figure. Do those arms and legs look like they actually belong to the person sitting at the desk? And really, why show off the legs of someone who's not even really in the story??
Damn, three pages and I'm already baffled. Let's continue. Batman, I mean Lockdown, lays down his bona fides as a badass:
Nope, not like Batman at all.
Hey, if it's Claremont, it's time for revealing character by tell, don't show:
Hammer those points home, Chris, with all the subtlety of an atom bomb, just in case these characters hadn't already been around for 35 years. Johnny's a creature of impulse? Thank heaven you took (another) splash page to share that insight with us.
And of course, Larroca's not doing any favors for himself here, is he?!? Does this page's Dr. Dante in any way whatsoever resemble the ones from the previous pages? Different eyes, nose, lips, all with different sizes and spacing...just awful.
We then spend some time with the secret identities of Lockdown and Rosetta Stone:
Get it? Earthquake relief?!? GET IT!?!? And don't forget the clever twist where, in this riff, the billionaire is the the the hero's sidekick, while her executive assistant is really the hero!!
Meanwhile, Reed MacGyver's his way out of the cell just using air and a dollar bill--really!!
Well, the good news is, that knocks out the guards and frees them. The bad news is, that also frees the "Twisted Sisters," the all-female, all-mystical gang of thieves who are in a gang war with The Tetrad, so they capture Stormy Sue, and perform a move straight out of umpteen X-Men stories...
So Sue is with them now, except...
Now wait a minute. Why go through all that "transform her into one of us" business for a full page, if you're just going to have her shake it off with no effort and no explanation in one panel?!?!?!? You even give her a new name! And then...nothing?!? Did you just want to put her into an admittedly bitchin' costume?? What's the point?
So, anyway, Reed has taken the red pill (or, rather, mysteriously seen through the illusion when no one else has), and decides to fight back in an unconventional way:
After Lockdown shows up and takes out Ben and Johnny in 1.5 seconds flat (seriously), we have yet another splash page devote to conversation!
A game? Oh, yes. Claremont has seen The Matrix, so Reed dopes out that everyone is just in a virtual reality environment, all playing some game. So he sends Sue "back," to use her force field to bust herself out of her containment vessel, while striking a very Greg Landian pose:
She releases the others, and, yes...Claremont and Larroca really have seen The Matrix.
So what's left? Oh, yes, that's right: Exposition Theater and Warmed-Over Star Trek Debates:
Well, that's all, right? Nope...we have to have an empty threat from Lockdown:
SPOILER ALERT: Lockdown never followed up on that threat.
Man, what a mish-mash. There's a lot of stuff jammed into this story, but the pudding lacks a theme, as Winston would say. We get a Batman riff, but why? We don't a single interesting observation about the character, or spin...it just seems as if Claremont wanted to show he could write badass Batman. We get a Matrix riff, but again nothing interesting is done with it, and the moral discussion is truncated, as is the explanation (what disaster? Is it a game? What is the rest of this world like? Is anyone in charge?). Claremont is content to name-check these pop-culture icons, without actually saying or adding anything. And of course, none of it is ever followed up on in the future.
We spend some time with the warden, but she vanishes after page 6. The Twisted Sisters transform Sue, but it's immediately flushed away in one panel. And they just get up and leave. It's a frustrating, lumpy experience. And if you replace the FF with, say, Cyclops and Jean Grey and Colossus and Gambit brainwashed and trapped in the Mojoverse, well, it's pretty much the same story.
Add to the mix an artist who feels compelled to fill the issue with completely unnecessary splash pages, has a fairly poor grasp of human anatomy and basic storytelling, and can't seem to draw any character (especially the women) the same way in consecutive panels, and it's not a fun read.
And, just as he did in his X-Men days, Claremont has a tendency to latch onto certain characters, but at the expense of others. Reading through his issues, the FF very much become the Reed and Sue show, with Johnny and Ben being thrown a bone once in awhile--but not nearly often enough. And, to my tastes, that's not the way the FF should be. Claremont could rush like the devil through some storylines, blithely ignoring his own stories and subplots, as we saw this issue; or he could pad things out for freaking ever (he had Reed trapped in Doctor Doom's body for 6 flippin' issues, even though we knew from minute one the whole story would end with Reed being corrupted).
I don't want to trash Claremont too hard here...but I think at this stage in his career, he clearly needed some strong editorial guidance. But he (apparently) didn't get it, and now he's reached the point where he's writing the worlds biggest "coulda been," the What If Jim Lee Hadn't Forced Chris Claremont Off The X-Men series X-Men Forever. So now it seems as if Claremont's the one trapped in the virtual reality simulator, reliving past glories.
ELSEWHERE IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE:
For no particular reason:
Nova #2, Marvel's third (and shortest-lasting) attempt to make a go of Richard Rider as a continuing series. Erik Larsen scripted, Joe Bennett pencilled. I found the series a mostly-successful attempt to recapture the fun of Marv Wolfman's original take on the character. But the guy was cancelled after only 7 issues, so not many agreed with me, apparently.
Oh, that's right!!
So, after a slight delay, let's go back to Marvel 1999, and see what was brewing with the Fantastic Four:
Uh-huh.
It's kind of cute how they give a big shout-out on the cover (in logo-form, no less!) to Lockdown and Rosetta Stone, as if just the presence of their names would somehow move more copies. It's also kind of silly, because these characters only first appeared last issue, and after this story would vanish into limbo forever, save for as brief cameo in Contest Of Champions II (Electric Boogaloo). Nobody had heard of them before or since, but we're giving them special cover mention because, well, maybe they'll be the next hot creations.
That's going to be the story of much of this issue: editorially, and in the script, there is a complete lack of coherence and vision. Things are emphasized that don't actually go on to be important; characters are given splash-page cheesecake spreads, only to vanish for the rest of the issue; "huge" plot points are introduced that are never followed up upon. It's all very odd...it has the feel of a rough-draft, brainstorming session, but nothing was cleaned up between there and publication.
Let's see where we start off:
Hey wait a minute!! Nobody told me Chris Claremont wrote some Fantastic Four!! Man, you take 3 lousy years off from comics, and look what you miss!!
Let's hop forward to the letters' page, where we confront the main issue squarely:
Well, it's a conundrum. While I agree with the letters page answer (from editor Bobbie Chase?) that it might be unfair to suggest that Claremont is "too X-Men" instead of "being Claremont," it's also undeniable that after his 17-year run on X-Franchise, that might just be a distinction without a difference.
And in terms of content, I side with Dave Andress of Oconomowoc, Wisconsin. The fact is, this issue reads almost exactly like a latter-day Claremont X-story. If you replace "Negative Zone" with "Mojoverse" and a few of the players' names, well, FF #18 is pretty darn close in tone and style to an X-Men story. The bigger question is, was that appropriate for the Fantastic Four?
Well, to start with, the story begins with no attempt to catch the reader up on what's been going on. If you didn't read the last issue, well, don't plan on getting caught up until page 12 or so, if you're lucky. I have more mercy than Claremont, however, so let me fill you in. The FF have been jaunting around the Negative Zone, stumble upon this odd planet, immediately find themselves attacked and unconscious. When they awaken, they have new identities, as the villains of this world. Somehow, only Reed is able to figure out what's going on, so he allows them to be captured and hauled off to this imposing prison.
Captured? Yes, by this world's bestest heroes, Lockdown and Rosetta Stone!!
Or, rather, thinly veiled riffs on Batman and Robin. So thinly veiled, in fact, it's a wonder Marvel decided to plaster their names, trademarks and all on the cover.
Who are the FF in this world? Why, in the cleverest transposition of names ever, they are:
Grim Ben? Stormy Sue? Richard Reed? Claremont, are you phoning this one in?!? C'mon, at least work at it a little bit.
Then we meet the warden of our prison, Dr. Dantes (get it?!? Get it?!?!?!):
Since Dr. Dantes vanishes from our story after page 6, why does she get a full-page spread (especially as it's only the third page of the story?)? Again, odd construction of this story.
Also odd is Salvador Larroca's grasp of human anatomy. Look at that figure. Do those arms and legs look like they actually belong to the person sitting at the desk? And really, why show off the legs of someone who's not even really in the story??
Damn, three pages and I'm already baffled. Let's continue. Batman, I mean Lockdown, lays down his bona fides as a badass:
Nope, not like Batman at all.
Hey, if it's Claremont, it's time for revealing character by tell, don't show:
Hammer those points home, Chris, with all the subtlety of an atom bomb, just in case these characters hadn't already been around for 35 years. Johnny's a creature of impulse? Thank heaven you took (another) splash page to share that insight with us.
And of course, Larroca's not doing any favors for himself here, is he?!? Does this page's Dr. Dante in any way whatsoever resemble the ones from the previous pages? Different eyes, nose, lips, all with different sizes and spacing...just awful.
We then spend some time with the secret identities of Lockdown and Rosetta Stone:
Get it? Earthquake relief?!? GET IT!?!? And don't forget the clever twist where, in this riff, the billionaire is the the the hero's sidekick, while her executive assistant is really the hero!!
Meanwhile, Reed MacGyver's his way out of the cell just using air and a dollar bill--really!!
Well, the good news is, that knocks out the guards and frees them. The bad news is, that also frees the "Twisted Sisters," the all-female, all-mystical gang of thieves who are in a gang war with The Tetrad, so they capture Stormy Sue, and perform a move straight out of umpteen X-Men stories...
So Sue is with them now, except...
Now wait a minute. Why go through all that "transform her into one of us" business for a full page, if you're just going to have her shake it off with no effort and no explanation in one panel?!?!?!? You even give her a new name! And then...nothing?!? Did you just want to put her into an admittedly bitchin' costume?? What's the point?
So, anyway, Reed has taken the red pill (or, rather, mysteriously seen through the illusion when no one else has), and decides to fight back in an unconventional way:
After Lockdown shows up and takes out Ben and Johnny in 1.5 seconds flat (seriously), we have yet another splash page devote to conversation!
A game? Oh, yes. Claremont has seen The Matrix, so Reed dopes out that everyone is just in a virtual reality environment, all playing some game. So he sends Sue "back," to use her force field to bust herself out of her containment vessel, while striking a very Greg Landian pose:
She releases the others, and, yes...Claremont and Larroca really have seen The Matrix.
So what's left? Oh, yes, that's right: Exposition Theater and Warmed-Over Star Trek Debates:
Well, that's all, right? Nope...we have to have an empty threat from Lockdown:
SPOILER ALERT: Lockdown never followed up on that threat.
Man, what a mish-mash. There's a lot of stuff jammed into this story, but the pudding lacks a theme, as Winston would say. We get a Batman riff, but why? We don't a single interesting observation about the character, or spin...it just seems as if Claremont wanted to show he could write badass Batman. We get a Matrix riff, but again nothing interesting is done with it, and the moral discussion is truncated, as is the explanation (what disaster? Is it a game? What is the rest of this world like? Is anyone in charge?). Claremont is content to name-check these pop-culture icons, without actually saying or adding anything. And of course, none of it is ever followed up on in the future.
We spend some time with the warden, but she vanishes after page 6. The Twisted Sisters transform Sue, but it's immediately flushed away in one panel. And they just get up and leave. It's a frustrating, lumpy experience. And if you replace the FF with, say, Cyclops and Jean Grey and Colossus and Gambit brainwashed and trapped in the Mojoverse, well, it's pretty much the same story.
Add to the mix an artist who feels compelled to fill the issue with completely unnecessary splash pages, has a fairly poor grasp of human anatomy and basic storytelling, and can't seem to draw any character (especially the women) the same way in consecutive panels, and it's not a fun read.
And, just as he did in his X-Men days, Claremont has a tendency to latch onto certain characters, but at the expense of others. Reading through his issues, the FF very much become the Reed and Sue show, with Johnny and Ben being thrown a bone once in awhile--but not nearly often enough. And, to my tastes, that's not the way the FF should be. Claremont could rush like the devil through some storylines, blithely ignoring his own stories and subplots, as we saw this issue; or he could pad things out for freaking ever (he had Reed trapped in Doctor Doom's body for 6 flippin' issues, even though we knew from minute one the whole story would end with Reed being corrupted).
I don't want to trash Claremont too hard here...but I think at this stage in his career, he clearly needed some strong editorial guidance. But he (apparently) didn't get it, and now he's reached the point where he's writing the worlds biggest "coulda been," the What If Jim Lee Hadn't Forced Chris Claremont Off The X-Men series X-Men Forever. So now it seems as if Claremont's the one trapped in the virtual reality simulator, reliving past glories.
ELSEWHERE IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE:
For no particular reason:
Nova #2, Marvel's third (and shortest-lasting) attempt to make a go of Richard Rider as a continuing series. Erik Larsen scripted, Joe Bennett pencilled. I found the series a mostly-successful attempt to recapture the fun of Marv Wolfman's original take on the character. But the guy was cancelled after only 7 issues, so not many agreed with me, apparently.
Dude, shh! Don't bring up Lockdown and Whosit, or Claremont'll put them in X-Men Forever!
ReplyDeleteYeah, those issues aren't good. I only read a couple before getting fed up, but Ben had more dialog in a single balloon, than in about a year of Marvel Two-in-One, and none of it good.
Is this suppoed to be an alien planet in the Negative Zone or an alternate reality Earth?
ReplyDeleteThere's just way too much stuff that says 'alternate reality Earth' to be ignored. In the panel with Dr. Dantes, there's what looks like an American flag in the background and Dr. Dantes herself is wearing a cross necklace. I can accept that aliens look just like us and speak our language -- that's a sci-fi staple born from a lack of funds for special effects or unimaginitive artists (and argueably a way of making us identify with the aliens -- if Luke Skywalker was a giant insect who spoke in clicks and buzzes and needed subtitles, he'd be harder to feel a kinship with) -- but it seems odd they'd have an American flag and wear Christian holy symbols. And think about Rosetta Stone for a minute. The Rosetta Stone is a historical object on Earth, and while there might be a similar object on another planet, why would it be called the exact same thing? And everyone is wearing suits (often with bowties) and Lockdown uses the term 'skinflint'.
It almost seems like they decided that the names Torque, Lockdown, and Rosetta Stone needed to be copyrighted, so let's make up some characters real quick before DC copyrights those names.
Another ironic thing about Lockdown being a Batman rip-off, Batman has an enemy named Lock-Up. I'm not sure if Claremont was aware of that, but Lock-Up first appeared in 1996, and he played a role in the No Man's Land storyline (which Claremont referenced with the earthquake comment) so it seems likely he would.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock-Up_(comics)
PS: If you ever wondered where skinflint came from I found a site that says this:
skinflint - a miser
Flint stones were used in olden days to start a fire. The term skinflint derives from the idea that a miserly person would go to the extreme of skinning a flint, or using a flint until it was as thin as a skin, in order to save money.
Good questions (and good eye), Rottgutt.
ReplyDeleteThe actual physical planet is in the Negative Zone. But, we never physically see or meet one of the inhabitants, so it's hard to say if the virtual reality we're shown is a reflection of their own world, our something based on something somebody somehow knew about Earth.
Or, Claremont and Larroca were just making it up as they went along.
OH, Great! I'm up to '97 on my Marvel FF DVD and now I see what I have to "look forward" to. And a "Reed swaps minds with Doom" run coming up? Haven't seen that in FF more than 3 or 4 times. Maybe when it's done, Reed can disappear for way too long again.
ReplyDeleteI always think that FF is my favorite Marvel title-and then I read past issue 300.
Don't lose heart, Anon. There are some really great runs ahead of you, including Waid and McDuffie.
ReplyDeleteI haven't read X-Men Forever, but I'm curious. Like roadside accident curious.
ReplyDelete"Without so much as a by-your-leave."
ReplyDeletePop quiz: Name 500 Marvel characters more likely to use that expression than Ben Grimm.
Depends whether or not they're written by Claremont...
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